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Review : C64 SD V2 from Manosoft ( includes Photos )
« on: March 06, 2011, 08:30:45 PM »
C64 SD V2 by Manosoft ::

The future of media storage, is Secure Digital or SD for short. It is used almost everywhere and on every computer, even on the humble Commodore.

Currently there are three known SD card mediums around :

1. Retro Replay
2. Ultimate 1541
3. Chameleon 64

However, there is another product that you should be aware of ... It's the C64 SD by Manosoft !



Just like many of the other available Hardware that has SD reader capabilities, the C64 SD offers the ability to the following image formats : D64, PRG and P00. T64 isn't supported at the moment. The Hardware is based on SD2IEC.

The Workings ::

The C64 SD is ideally powered via the C2N Tape port and also uses the Serial port for Disk control on a Commodore 64 or VIC 20 and apparently the Plus/4. However, my tests have been done whilst using a Commodore 128 and because of the Tape port and Serial port arrangment, I am having to use power via a 9v Battery through a custom made Long DC Power Plug 2.5mm/5.5mm. Although, an external Power Adapter could be used that uses 5v with the correct polarity. ( further tests required )





There is also a through port that enables the use of a Serial Cable for Daisy chaining to another Disk Drive. I set the C64 SD to Device 9 and daisy chained it to an Excelerator+ Plus Drive ( Device 8 ). This proved useful when copying files and converting images.



All images can be loaded via two browsers :

CBM-Command ::

CBM-Command lets you copy Files to and from Images and real Disks. It also lets you convert a C64 Disk to D64 and vice versa.

Quite ingenious really, but a little slow. However, if you are only copying the odd disk or two, it's bearable.



Although, slow and somewhat clunky, this program is pretty good at doing what it's supposed to do ... Copy Files and convert from D64 to Disk and Disk to D64. ( please see Speed Transfer Trials )

Fibr :: ( site currently down )





Excellent for just loading Disk Images ( D64 ) or Files ( PRG ), ( PRG, ( P00 ).





Also, there is an additional program called :

Dra Copy ( site in German, but can be translated using Google Translate )

I haven't used this program properly, so there are no comments on this yet.



Speed Transfer Trials :

CBM-Command via C64 SD ::

D64 to Disk = 14-15 mins ( includes format )
Disk to D64 = 12 mins
File ( 192 blocks ) to Disk = 3:45
Disk ( 192 blocks  ) to File = 3:05

Star Commander via XA1541 v2 ( Turbo Transfer Setting ) ::

D64 to Disk = 2:24 mins ( includes format )
Disk to D64 = 1:45 mins
File ( 192 blocks ) to Disk = 0:56
Disk ( 192 blocks  ) to File = 0:57

These speeds might seem quite different, but I think if Jiffy DOS was applied in some way, the C64SD transfer rates might improve. So, further research and testing is required here.

L.E.D. ,Button and SD Card Information ::

Apart from the SD Card slot, there are three L.E.D's and two Buttons :



L.E.D.'s from left to right : Blue ( Read / Write ), Read ( Busy ) and Green ( Power )

Button's from left to right : Reset C64SD, Disk Swap

SD Card : Must be formatted as FAT16 ( upto 4GIG - clarification )

Summary ::

The review and undertakings might not have been as in depth as I originally wanted, but to be honest, I am very pleased with the C64SD. Okay, it might not be a good looking device like the competitors, but it is practical and it's workings deliver all that is needed. Well, for me anyway and perhaps you ? Maybe future software and firmware updates may deliver options for a Commodore SID Player and faster File and Disk Transfer. For the price of 60 Euros, it's really is a steal !

*** At the time of this review, the C64SD is currently - " Out of Stock ". ***

Please contact Manosoft for further information : email [ manosoft@libero.it ] / www [ http://c64sd.roxer.com ]

*** News Update ***

New model available : C64SD Infinity : [ http://www.manosoft.it/ ]
« Last Edit: June 21, 2011, 12:56:45 PM by HeadingtonBard »
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Re: C64SD Review ( contains Photos )
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 08:57:14 AM »
Excellent review, this is something we could do with more of, relevant informations, good pictures.

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Re: C64SD Review ( contains Photos )
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 10:41:44 AM »
I agree, fantastic review mate and great to see some great product shots. Shame it's out of stock at the mo..tempted to buy one just for the fun of playing with it.

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Re: C64SD Review ( contains Photos )
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2011, 11:15:24 AM »
Thanks, guys !  ;) I am hoping to update the review of the Multiple Classic Computer I did last year. It now supports Atari 2600, although it's currently only in NTSC ( Black and White Mode ). The Amiga Core is currently being worked on, hopefully that will be available soon. I am hoping to showcase the MCC-216 box at the RCM Weekender in May, I'll try and remember to bring the C64SD with me as well ! ;)
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Re: C64SD Review ( contains Photos )
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2011, 12:40:34 PM »
Nice review - should do something similar for my MMC Replay.

Most impressed by this time though for Star Commander - Disk to D64 = 1:45 mins - doing 5 disks in the time it takes me to do one at present using MMC Replay.

So it looks like I'm in need of an olde worlde shuttle-box sized DOS-PC to sort out the disk images then - especially with those times quoted.  Not used Star Commander in ages but I've got my X1541 cable knocking about somewhere :-)

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Re: C64SD Review ( contains Photos )
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2011, 12:51:58 PM »
Nice review - should do something similar for my MMC Replay.

Most impressed by this time though for Star Commander - Disk to D64 = 1:45 mins - doing 5 disks in the time it takes me to do one at present using MMC Replay.

So it looks like I'm in need of an olde worlde shuttle-box sized DOS-PC to sort out the disk images then - especially with those times quoted.  Not used Star Commander in ages but I've got my X1541 cable knocking about somewhere :-)

I got one of these from eBay : [ http://www.nkcelectronics.com/commodore-xa1541-ada1541.html ] and use it with a standard Serial Cable. It's not bad at all ! :)
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Re: C64SD Review ( contains Photos )
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2011, 10:00:04 AM »
Talking to a bloke in work and he's got an old Toshiba laptop which still has serial & parallel ports on it.  Has Windows 95 on it so 'pure DOS' is an option for Star Commander :)

So that's my C64 imaging machine sorted whenever he brings it in.

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Re: C64SD Review ( contains Photos )
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2011, 01:13:45 PM »
Talking to a bloke in work and he's got an old Toshiba laptop which still has serial & parallel ports on it.  Has Windows 95 on it so 'pure DOS' is an option for Star Commander :)

So that's my C64 imaging machine sorted whenever he brings it in.

Cool ! It's always nice to have the X1541 method at hand for doing Disk Transfers. :)
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Re: Review : C64 SD V2 from Manosoft ( contains Photos )
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2011, 01:36:24 PM »
Nice review

my only dislike of this its not a wow factor, but just an easy plug and play adaptor and away to go. i found a few issues with alot games not working

I am  selling mine due to getting 1541 u2 .  if you just want to load c64 games quick easy this is the best for you. If you want bit more fun go with 1541 u2
or the cameleon you wont go wrong

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Re: Review : C64 SD V2 from Manosoft ( contains Photos )
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2011, 06:51:29 PM »
Nice review

my only dislike of this its not a wow factor, but just an easy plug and play adaptor and away to go. i found a few issues with alot games not working

I am  selling mine due to getting 1541 u2 .  if you just want to load c64 games quick easy this is the best for you. If you want bit more fun go with 1541 u2
or the cameleon you wont go wrong

ggizmotigger

Best of luck with the sale, Mate ! ;)

Also, are you the same guy that modded a 1541 and a C64 30-games-in-1 Joystick together sometime ago ? I recall asking someone with the same eBay ID as : impossiblebubble or am I going crazy ? Don't say yes ! Well, to the crazy bit anyway ! ;)
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Re: Review : C64 SD V2 from Manosoft ( includes Photos )
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2011, 08:43:44 PM »
yes thats me :) impossiblebubble always messing around with the old joystick ;)

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Re: Review : C64 SD V2 from Manosoft ( includes Photos )
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2011, 04:55:59 PM »
Obviously you all think this is brilliant.

You know what it is and what it does.

But sorry not being up to date with your jargin I'm not quite sure what it is.

Is it a plug in Commodore 64 - you plug into your laptop ?

Is it a memory card that plugs into a commodore 64 - giving a hard drive ?

Is it a plug in card for a Commodore that captures the video.

I bet its something else.

Is it for sale ?

How much does it cost ?

Who sells it?

What hardware/software is it compatible with ?

Do state the obvious - thanks.

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Re: Review : C64 SD V2 from Manosoft ( includes Photos )
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2011, 05:18:57 PM »
http://www.manosoft.it/ --- WEB SITE OF THE DETAILS ( SORRY CAPS LOCK STUCK)
Is it a memory card that plugs into a commodore 64 - giving a hard drive  RUNS GAMES OFF A SD CARD

OK ADAPTOR BUT I WOULD GO FOR THE 1541 U2
OR THE CAMELEON

I HAVE GOT ONE FOR SALE IF YOU INTERESTED


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Re: Review : C64 SD V2 from Manosoft ( includes Photos )
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2011, 06:42:07 PM »
Thanks for answering my trivial question.


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Re: Review : C64 SD V2 from Manosoft ( includes Photos )
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2011, 05:08:21 PM »
Hi Derek,

Obviously you all think this is brilliant.

You know what it is and what it does.

But sorry not being up to date with your jargin I'm not quite sure what it is.

You seem to be getting aggrivated here with no good reason.

Is it a plug in Commodore 64 - you plug into your laptop ?

Is it a memory card that plugs into a commodore 64 - giving a hard drive ?

Is it a plug in card for a Commodore that captures the video.

I bet its something else.

Is it for sale ?

How much does it cost ?

Who sells it?

What hardware/software is it compatible with ?

Do state the obvious - thanks.

The RCM forum is not a magazine where you can expect reviews on a regular basis with all the information you require. Alex was very gracious in providing this review in his own time, and nobody here expects any more than he has delivered.

It is stated at the beginning of the post what it is and is for, and it is expected that though with a Commodore 64 storage interest will already have enough knowledge regarding the system to follow the post through. Any other information is easily obtainable via your nearest available Google.

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