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C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« on: April 10, 2012, 07:04:39 PM »
I've been asked to look at the various C64 carts out there for use at the retro nights at The Lass O' Gowrie in Manchester.

From memory there's:

MMC Replay (this is what I own and Max has the older model)

1541 Ultimate (AndyRCM has one of these but not the most recent from memory?)

The Chameleon (I've seen one at last year's AC in France, but has anyone got one on here?)

The cheaper one from the bloke in Italy (Mannosoft?)

SD2IEC

What others are out there? 

Yes, there's the EasyFlash but that's not that useful for putting non-CRT images on.  Ease of use for non-C64 owners/users is the guideline :)


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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2012, 07:05:40 PM »
D'oh.  Just did a Google and found this post from Alex ...  :-[

http://retrocomputermuseum.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3659.0


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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2012, 07:37:12 PM »
I (RCM) has the 1541 Ultimate II (latest version) and the Chameleon too . . . :) In my opinion easily the best two! :)

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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2012, 10:18:12 PM »
SD2IEC is more a class of devices rather than a single interface. NKC Electronics sells a SD2IEC design, and there is Go4Retro (Jim Brain) selling uIEC/SD which uses the same kind of firmware. Then there are more or less homebrew designs in various MMC2IEC boards. They all have the same strengths and weaknesses. If I'm not mistaken, the Italian one is yet another SD2IEC variant, even if it might not explicitely say so.

Actually you can put single filed PRG files on an EasyFlash cartridge. They load through a custom loader. The drawback is it is much harder to update the content than the memory card based devices, but on the other hand if you intend to use it as a multicart with a fixed set of programs and a nice menu, it is a good option.

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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2012, 07:22:01 AM »
One advantage of the SD2IEC designs that may be worth considdering is that they work with all the serial bus Commodore machines, so the VIC-20 and the C16,C116,+4 too.

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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2012, 11:32:17 AM »
Sir morris had been known to make the odd sd2iec device. Very nice they are too .

I know...I have one :)

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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2012, 11:14:25 AM »
I have both the latest Ultimate II and the Chameleon and while the Chameleon is the better device of the two the compatibility is still not quite there compared with the Ultimate II.

The Ultimate II has to have a 1541 cable between it and the IO port (where you'd normally plug in the 1541) so it seems to act just like a 1541 in every way.

The Chameleon doesn't need this and does have an easier to use and more powerful UI but there are some games that just don't load correctly.  Enough for me to stick with the Ultimate II for gaming (for now anyway).

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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2012, 12:52:22 PM »
I'll point Mike (who works at the Lass and runs the retro nights there) in the direction of this thread.

Cheers for the responses so far.  How cheap is the SD2IEC model?

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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2012, 09:31:00 AM »
Ultimate 1541 for long term investment but sd2iec for a quick cheap fix. Can also be used on a vic20/plus4 from the same sd card.

Ok without jiffydos, superb with it.

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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2012, 11:10:12 AM »
Ultimate 1541 for long term investment but sd2iec for a quick cheap fix. Can also be used on a vic20/plus4 from the same sd card.

Ok without jiffydos, superb with it.

I'd forgot about jiffydos for my C64....must get that sorted out some point Stiggy ;)

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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2012, 12:31:54 PM »
I'd forgot about jiffydos for my C64....must get that sorted out some point Stiggy ;)

Ditto - have the chips done but that's as far as I got. 

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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2012, 07:20:11 PM »
I meant to mention that sd2iec is painfully slow without jiffy dos.  :o

It's the same speed as a 1541 isn't it ? Not that I've really done any comparison :)

And anything is an improvement over C64 tape, I remember hearing figures like 20 minutes to load manic miner on the C64 from a friend that had one back in the day :(

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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2012, 07:23:03 PM »
C64 standard 'original' disk loads such as the early elite stuff i.e. paperboy took a fekking age to load from disk - in some cases it was faster from tape! :)
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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2012, 08:44:24 AM »
never used a real one myself either but from what ive read, the sd2iec is the same speed as the real thing

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Re: C64 SD/Micro SD cart for The Lass O' Gowrie
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2012, 02:46:33 PM »
Ok im here.

What is the best one to use. need it to run some of the popular games on it.

I did see a cable for a C64 a few weeks back that connects where the tape deck goes but has phono outs on it so anything with a audio out on can be used.

Know what they are called and where I can get them?
If I can load of a Mp3 player it would make things better (and a load of MP3s of the games)
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